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Offline Garbo

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Re: PC5 question
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2020, 06:43:48 PM »
 :028: Thanks buddy. Like you have said before, just want to have her running to her potential. Garbo.  :821:

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Re: PC5 question
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2020, 07:06:14 PM »
It’s been a learning process that is for sure and still is, i’m Currently going the same route as the X/R with a KTM GT, for the sure hell of it took the 02/lamba’s off 3 months ago(no PC fitted), bung in the header pipe and dongles in the connectors left in the wiring loom took minutes and it’s been running fantastic,but the OC is still to be fitted

But the reality is manufactures have two priorities that’s price and the TUV.

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Re: PC5 question
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2020, 10:01:53 AM »
Guys, I have a Black Widow end can and therefore intend on getting the same headers and going down the decat route after reading all the posts, I went to my local tuning specialist who have a good reputation - BSD in Peterborough to check with them what the score is - they said that by early in the New Year there would be a way of accessing the ecu and remapping therefore doing away with a refuelling module such as the PC5 or Rapidbike. As anyone else heard this? They said it would prob add about 6-8 BHP which doesn’t sound as good as Winger is talking about. I’m not sure if I can wait until next year.........and if it actually happens - any advice would be grateful? Oh and BSD also said it would be about £350 - £400 + vat to fit the rapidbike (They poo pooed the PC5 for some reason - not sure why after reading Wingers posts) + putting on a dyno with me supplying the rapidbike.

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Re: PC5 question
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2020, 10:23:32 AM »
Hiya

When it comes too all things motorcycle I lead a complicated life and still do....have had dealings with BSD and know others that have and they good really good so have no qualms with them doing a good job.

This is where it gets complicated.....10 years ago.... things like Power Commanders where all but finished because Tuners could get into ECU’s, the EU/TUV got all upset that tuners where accessing ECU’s so put out a directive to manufacturers saying that ECU’s should made non accessable, and so the PC’s and Rapid Bike became popular again.

But nothing stays the same and i’ve Heard utterings for some time about tuners being able to get into modern day ECU’s, as I said earlier when in the same situation in 2010 had a Rexxer map blown into the ECU of my K1200r sport and still have the bike to this day and runs really well.

Re what tuners prefer Rapidbike/PC at some time or other no doubt had a falling out with a supplier so take no notice they all have their favourites.

Re HP don’t get carried away with such look at my print out on here I didn’t get big HP either but the bottom end fuelling Oh Lordy......as i’ve said Many a time on here 25mph in top gear and it pulls as clean as a whistle and that’s two up....
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Re: PC5 question
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2020, 10:55:57 PM »
I had a RapidBike evo fitted by BSD to my 2018 XR a couple of months ago. As Winger said it’s not about HP gains but how well the bike is mapped and how much time is spent getting the fuelling sorted.

I quizzed BSD on their dislike of the PC5 too, they said it was partly down to a PC5 only controlling some of the injector banks, but as stated more than likely its just what system any tuner prefers to use and is more comfortable with. BSD only used the RapidBike to alter fuelling tables and actually turn off the main party piece of the Rapid Bikes functionality which is the auto learn feature - apparently it gets its knickers in a twist and tends to add fuel where it’s not needed!

I’ve ridden my bike lots since the rapid bike was fitted and I am really happy with results.

My personal preference however would always be a direct ECU remap, I am never a personal fan of piggyback controllers and having to splice into wiring looms.

Just my 2p worth :)

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Re: PC5 question
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2020, 08:12:45 AM »
Nice one, I think I’m going to hang it out for a few months as it’s winter and see if anything develops re ecu remapping as BSD have indicated but will be getting very itchy feet towards spring if haven’t heard anything.

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Re: PC5 question
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2020, 09:49:16 AM »
You only have to read tyre threads to see what works or what doesn’t for different folks, fuelling is no different, go back 10 years piggy back fuelling was finished, as I‘ve Said before on here it was then all about re-mapping ECU’s(because ECU’s could be hacked),I had a Rexxer map blown into the ECU of my K1200r Sport, I still have and it works well, but this is where it gets complicated...I prefer the softer feel of piggy back fuelling.

The TUV forced manufacturers to produce ECU’s that could not be hacked... its taken 10 years to rectify that..,I already have 3 bikes with PC’s 3’s and the X/R is PC5 as is the KTMGT which is still to be fitted.

There is already loads posted on here about such, but for me what it was all about was the extra flexability better that non TUV restricted fuelling gave the motor, for guys with stock bikes jeez you’d have a shock at how much more can be had from the engine.

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Re: PC5 question
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2020, 10:22:45 AM »
Apparently  CJS can flash the earlier bikes now. I am probably going to go down this route.

http://cjsracing.co.uk/




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Re: PC5 question
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2020, 11:33:16 AM »
It’s definitely food for thought? - Bazzer when are you considering having this done ? Another thing BSD in Peterborough said to me was ‘some places claim to be able to access the ecu but can’t’. I have no allegiance to anyone just stating what they said.

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Re: PC5 question
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2020, 11:57:38 AM »
Yeah I am mindful of people claims I have spoken to them and I am pretty happy they would be doing what they say they would be doing. I work in a similar industry (in terms of the electronics and technology) so I know how to smell a rat :-)

I will get it done as soon as I put it back together, its all in bits at the moment with all the throttle bodies etc off to do valve clearances and a leak down test. Also no exhaust etc.

So when its back together I will book it in.

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