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Offline Redrick

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The wizard of Earl Shilton
« on: April 26, 2016, 04:56:17 PM »
Oh Goody another Hilltop thread......

Having had both my previous GS TC and LC done i wasn't going to bother with the XR as lets face it it is plenty fast enough and not lumpy like a GS but there is always that little nag in the back of my mind that says it could be better ......


I couldnt stand the thought of that arse Rich having his done and crowing about it so today in the bloody cold and hail storms i made my way.

First run on the dyno and Geof commented on how smooth the power was and asked if it had been a demo bike !

128 BHP at the wheel at 10333 with torque of 67.3 at 9030 revs

fairly sh#t figures really as BMW claim 160 at the crank but even with such low numbers it was a bloody quick bike.

I went for breakfast whilst Geoff did Geoff stuff to it and i was back in time for the last run

160.49BHP at 10300 and torque 89.14 at 8500

Noticeably smoother which in itself is surprising bearing in mind the straight power curve initially and by christ you ca feel the extra horses

Not really had chance to push it due to needing new tyres desperately and the weather but the most noticablele thing so far is what it does at 80 when you tweek the throttle just a bit - 100 comes and goes in the blink of an eye ......


money well spent IMO but to all the nay sayers come and fill ya boots

Before

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After

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You tell me how fast I was going Officer !

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Re: The wizard of Earl Shilton
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2016, 07:35:24 PM »
Oh dear we now have two silly boys instead of one :001:

130hp on a stock XR + 30hp on what ?? A remap?? Which I can assure it most certainly isn't The technical expression is!!!

Eeeeeee Eaaaaaw

I've been a little indisposed at the Jerez GP but for those who like some real info I'll put some up tomorrow.

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Re: The wizard of Earl Shilton
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2016, 08:21:53 PM »
Nope not just a remap
There are 2 things that make the XR engine down tuned from the RR

The cams and the other so if you can bypass the other ( obviously the cams are not an easy or cheap mod) then quite a few BHP are added.
Maybe the BSB team that have their bikes in there ( saw them today) are donkeys as well Dick head
« Last Edit: April 26, 2016, 08:23:33 PM by Redrick »
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Re: The wizard of Earl Shilton
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2016, 09:03:26 PM »
I honestly don't know how he gets 30bhp.  Those sort of percentage gains eg 20 percent , tend to be on turbo engines.

From memory when I decatted, race pipe, k&n filterd, and fitted power commander and had a remap done at cmc Chesterfield (GSXR1000k7), the bike was making 175bhp at the back wheel, more than a ZZR1400 they had done.  The bulk of the extra power came from the decat. A remap was usually a few extra bhp on its own from what I remember.

Whilst not doubting the bike no doubt feels better , the numbers seem a bit hard to believe.  Surely with 20 percent more power it must feel like a completely new bike?

He could of course do a in depth tune for BSB and give Joe Public the quick tune version.

Anyway, not sure but just my two penneth worth.

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Re: The wizard of Earl Shilton
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2016, 09:38:36 PM »
Mine feels like a completely different bike. 6th gear 80-130 is a hell of a lot quicker than it was before, on a track of course.

Whinger ain't got a bloody clue! :745:

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Re: The wizard of Earl Shilton
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2016, 10:09:30 PM »
*Originally Posted by RichS1000XR [+]
Mine feels like a completely different bike. 6th gear 80-130 is a hell of a lot quicker than it was before, on a track of course.

Whinger ain't got a bloody clue! :745:

Well i suppose it comes down to trust in the man that does the work !

I tend to have some faith in the ability of a man who can show photographic evidence of him working on Guy martins Tyco a couple of years ago before the TT and the NW 200 3 BSB bikes in there at the moment and evidence of plenty of others that have been through there. Also clear evidence of an XR being done before they were on sale ( that one makes me wonder about the integrity of the manufacturer) any way I am happy to be a donkey as my bike certainly isn't
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Re: The wizard of Earl Shilton
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2016, 06:39:39 AM »
Ive got to be honest and say that this is starting to sound somewhat suspect to me.

I have no experience of Hilltop and in the main id rather stay out of threads that slate particular businesses, however.....

Each standard bike dyno I've seen/read about on the XR, including those ran in the USA which has renowned worse fuel, all come in over 150bhp ,

This video 1.50 in for example:


Or this Italian video:



Even akrapovics main website dyno graph shows substantially more as a stock bike, if anybody would try to suggest a huge power increase by switching exhausts it would be them

Now i appreciate all bikes are different, but for somebody to tell me that the bike started with 130bhp RW and then they managed to get 160 RW out of it screams of data fudging/rigging to me.

Unless there was something initially wrong with your bike, or indeed you swapped out the exhaust, air box and a whole range of other stuff in between runs, over a 20% increase is simply out of this world.

Im not about to start on the man as i don't know him, and he may very well have tuned certain race teams bikes, hell he may even be a really nice bloke.

But just think about it, over a 20% power increase?

Somethings not right with that.

He may very well have mapped the bike a little better and yes its probably better than it was previously, but with such an improvement in power to the RW you would, without question, notice a HUGE difference..... it just sounds way too much.... or too little to start with

Each to their own and if you're happy thats great, you paid the money and if the bike feels better thats all good.

But I'm sorry, the math doesn't stack up with what you've been told, rightly or wrongly i get the feeling he's over egging his work on these standard bikes a little too much

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Re: The wizard of Earl Shilton
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2016, 07:30:37 AM »
To be honest, I couldn't give a fig what numbers he produces before and after the remap, the numbers are irrelevant. The way the bike rides is much better, and that's the only reason why I take my bikes to him.

I must admit though, that I do have my reservations about the "before" figures he produces.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2016, 07:32:34 AM by RichS1000XR »

 


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