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    Is my new Shido battery ok?
    on: April 23, 2021, 06:38:13 pm
    April 23, 2021, 06:38:13 pm
    Following on from my previous thread asking which Shido folks go with, I ended up getting the LTX9-BS (3 Ah) which Shido recommend for the XR, and several of you guys too.

    ...And it’s not much more convincing at starting than my dwindling 4yo OEM lead acid. Should it be?

    The XR always fired up first turn of the motor, strong as you like when the lead acid was new. I expected the Shido to be as good, if not ripping the Starter apart from the CCA figures and their reputation. But the Shido sounds like it struggles a smidge - not massively - but it’s just not as convincing as my LA was when new. 

    Have I a duff Shido, or were my expectations too much?

    It arrived fully charged by its power meter, and I put it on my Lithium charger anyway to top up before installing.
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    Re: Is my new Shido battery ok?
    Reply #1 on: April 23, 2021, 06:48:47 pm
    April 23, 2021, 06:48:47 pm
    Something not right somewhere because I have the same and it turns the motor over in a millisecond.

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    Re: Is my new Shido battery ok?
    Reply #2 on: April 23, 2021, 07:15:32 pm
    April 23, 2021, 07:15:32 pm
    maybe your 4 year old battery is fine!

    You need to check the other end of the leads - at the starter motor and earth points. Check the seating of the main, green 30A fuse.

    How many miles on the bike? Starter motors can get tired if you have a high mileage.

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    Re: Is my new Shido battery ok?
    Reply #3 on: April 23, 2021, 08:22:58 pm
    April 23, 2021, 08:22:58 pm
    Bike is still young; only ~7k on the clock.

    The old LA was showing signs of not holding charge well. 12.6V would fairly quickly decline 12.3>12.2 once the engine was turned off and I think I was seeing it struggle to recover past 12 after a start / quick stop. So I had reasonable confidence the old one was failing.

    Thus I expected to be amazed by the Shido, and it’s merely ‘ok’; I’d say like a good LA after about its 5th start.

    I have a load tester I can try it on so may do that next.

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    Re: Is my new Shido battery ok?
    Reply #4 on: April 23, 2021, 08:43:01 pm
    April 23, 2021, 08:43:01 pm
    I’m just repeating myself but with 5 bikes all running a lithium battery and all performing just as well, something your end clearly isn’t right.

    Actually one bike went bang yesterday which is a story not For these pages but the lith battery is as good as ever and it’s years old.

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    Re: Is my new Shido battery ok?
    Reply #5 on: April 23, 2021, 09:22:55 pm
    April 23, 2021, 09:22:55 pm
    After the first start - have you tried a subsequent start (straight after)?

    My Brief use of a Shido LI battery showed the first start to be no better then the LA one (a month old).  BUT - the subsequent start was much faster than the first.   As I understand it - there is a temperature characteristic with LI batteries, causing this.

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    Re: Is my new Shido battery ok?
    Reply #6 on: April 23, 2021, 10:09:31 pm
    April 23, 2021, 10:09:31 pm
    *Originally Posted by Mareng1 [+]
    After the first start - have you tried a subsequent start (straight after)?

    My Brief use of a Shido LI battery showed the first start to be no better then the LA one (a month old).  BUT - the subsequent start was much faster than the first.   As I understand it - there is a temperature characteristic with LI batteries, causing this.

    Yea Lithium Batteries have to be warmed up prior to high load use, usually by leaving the lights on for a minute or so. People who keep their bikes in heated garages likely don't experience this but if you keep you bike outside it's and it's chilly you should definitely do this.

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    Re: Is my new Shido battery ok?
    Reply #7 on: April 24, 2021, 02:57:26 am
    April 24, 2021, 02:57:26 am
    lithium ion batteries have quite a few shotcommings. hence I decided to not to go with it on my new Gen2. temprature changes, charging over 80% and dpeleting over 20% deteriorates the battery.

    Electric car manufactures have an battery management program, so they only let you charge to 85% and charge early than 20% left. dont see such and management technology being used in motorcycles for the internal battery.

    only advantage being the weight over the LA. but then XR is not an sports bike, so I decided to live it.

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    Re: Is my new Shido battery ok?
    Reply #8 on: April 24, 2021, 06:52:09 am
    April 24, 2021, 06:52:09 am
    Some of the posts on here made me smile,i’ve got a bike that’s had a lithium battery on it and it’s nearly 8 years old, never had the slightest problem, lead acid!!! Might as well be saying ride a BSA A10 instead of an X/R...this is the 21st century folks  :001:

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    Re: Is my new Shido battery ok?
    Reply #9 on: April 24, 2021, 08:48:41 am
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    A lithium battery is an optional extra on a new XR.
    I have run them on my Ducati for years with no problems and there are no downsides.
    What Winger said is spot on.