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    Shift Cam for the XR, still at 165HP but with enough low down torque for B roads
    on: August 22, 2021, 06:35:11 pm
    August 22, 2021, 06:35:11 pm
    Given the XR price tag and Gen 2 expectations, we the consumers should ask for a higher spec XR with Shift Cam delivering more low end torque, to be more B-roads engaging. And more reliable at the same time.
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    Re: Shift Cam for the XR, still at 165HP but with enough low down torque for B r
    Reply #1 on: August 22, 2021, 08:07:06 pm
    August 22, 2021, 08:07:06 pm
    Shiftcam is a delicate, expensive technology waiting to go wrong after warranty.  I'm now used to riding in 2nd / 3rd gear, and enjoy that about 10% longer 6th for cruising. I don't want shiftcam

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    Re: Shift Cam for the XR, still at 165HP but with enough low down torque for B r
    Reply #2 on: August 22, 2021, 08:07:31 pm
    August 22, 2021, 08:07:31 pm
    *Originally Posted by Parmenion [+]
    Given the XR price tag and Gen 2 expectations, we the consumers should ask for a higher spec XR with Shift Cam delivering more low end torque, to be more B-roads engaging. And more reliable at the same time.

    if you want low down torque buy a R12xxRS

    as for B roads, I find the Gen1 fine for B roads and even single tracks. Half my lap of the Cotswolds today was on single track roads to avoid the tourists clogging up the main roads

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    Re: Shift Cam for the XR, still at 165HP but with enough low down torque for B r
    Reply #3 on: August 22, 2021, 08:20:19 pm
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    *Originally Posted by Parmenion [+]
    Given the XR price tag and Gen 2 expectations, we the consumers should ask for a higher spec XR with Shift Cam delivering more low end torque, to be more B-roads engaging. And more reliable at the same time.

    Good luck waiting for an XR with "shift-cam", BMW stated early on that they never really considered it for the XR.

    If you really want it, just transplant an RR engine into your XR....they bolt straight in.

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    Re: Shift Cam for the XR, still at 165HP but with enough low down torque for B r
    Reply #4 on: August 22, 2021, 08:48:21 pm
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    *Originally Posted by Parmenion [+]
    Given the XR price tag and Gen 2 expectations, we the consumers should ask for a higher spec XR with Shift Cam delivering more low end torque, to be more B-roads engaging. And more reliable at the same time.

    Get a Gen 1 and throw headers on it *bam* shiftcam  :745:

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    Re: Shift Cam for the XR, still at 165HP but with enough low down torque for B r
    Reply #5 on: August 23, 2021, 01:24:40 am
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    more power is always better but it's not exactly like the XR is lacking ..... even in the lower RPM range
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    Re: Shift Cam for the XR, still at 165HP but with enough low down torque for B r
    Reply #6 on: August 23, 2021, 01:26:34 am
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    Does brentuning solving the power issue?
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    Re: Shift Cam for the XR, still at 165HP but with enough low down torque for B r
    Reply #7 on: August 23, 2021, 03:23:57 am
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    Does brentuning solving the power issue?

    They don't have a power issue as such, they're a very rapid motorcycle in the right hands...it's the way the power is delivered which is the issue for some...165 ponies is not to be sneezed at in anybody's language.

    For example, the KTM Super Duke eats the XR alive as far as bottom/mid-range torque goes, there's no getting around that....but for most of us mere mortals...the XR is plenty adequate. If we're honest very few of us ride around at 9k rpm+, I rarely go above 5.5-6k rpm during my daily commutes to work etc...and anything in the 9k+ range quickly puts most people in the "license loosing" area unless you're on a race track.

    The Brentune, PC-V and Rapid Bike Evo are all well known to "clean-up" the poor fueling in the low/mid rpm ranges caused by the Euro-3/4/5 emissions regulations. But to get the best out of it you'll need a proper set of headers and a date with a dyno...many countries won't allow this to happen legally due to their noise restrictions. The Gen-1 was pretty loud to start with let alone after fitting headers. Luckily here in Australia it's not much of an issue and all you usually get from the local police is a nod as they go in the opposite direction...unless you're being an idiot...they mostly leave us alone.

    Headers and the stock muffler on a Gen-1 is abusively loud and the fitting of a DB killer is essentially mandatory. Been there done that. :001:

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    Re: Shift Cam for the XR, still at 165HP but with enough low down torque for B r
    Reply #8 on: August 23, 2021, 06:01:54 am
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    *Originally Posted by smithy [+]
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    Headers and the stock muffler on a Gen-1 is abusively loud and the fitting of a DB killer is essentially mandatory. Been there done that. :001:

    Smithy.


    Sounds good. Thanks for the explanation.
    Didn’t picked up my bike yet. So I’ll learn soon.
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    Re: Shift Cam for the XR, still at 165HP but with enough low down torque for B r
    Reply #9 on: August 23, 2021, 08:20:25 am
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    *Originally Posted by smithy [+]
    They don't have a power issue as such, they're a very rapid motorcycle in the right hands...it's the way the power is delivered which is the issue for some...165 ponies is not to be sneezed at in anybody's language.

    For example, the KTM Super Duke eats the XR alive as far as bottom/mid-range torque goes, there's no getting around that....but for most of us mere mortals...the XR is plenty adequate. If we're honest very few of us ride around at 9k rpm+, I rarely go above 5.5-6k rpm during my daily commutes to work etc...and anything in the 9k+ range quickly puts most people in the "license loosing" area unless you're on a race track.

    The Brentune, PC-V and Rapid Bike Evo are all well known to "clean-up" the poor fueling in the low/mid rpm ranges caused by the Euro-3/4/5 emissions regulations. But to get the best out of it you'll need a proper set of headers and a date with a dyno...many countries won't allow this to happen legally due to their noise restrictions. The Gen-1 was pretty loud to start with let alone after fitting headers. Luckily here in Australia it's not much of an issue and all you usually get from the local police is a nod as they go in the opposite direction...unless you're being an idiot...they mostly leave us alone.

    Headers and the stock muffler on a Gen-1 is abusively loud and the fitting of a DB killer is essentially mandatory. Been there done that. :001:

    Smithy.

    That’s a great post, my stock can went the same way as the headers, and with Akra headers and MIVV end have no noise problems what so ever, yea it makes itself heard when you wringing it’s neck but only then.

    For me the interesting bit was the mention of the KTM bottom end/midrange....yes when you are in the right gear, and I’ve been the same route on both X/R and GT fuelling wise ..there’s a BUT  :001: within reason the KTM has to be in the right gear, I can ride the X/R like an auto and that’s two up, under 30mph in 6th and it pulls clean as a whistle without the slightest hesitation.

    Best decision I made when ordering my X/R 5 years ago was non ESA and then fitted Wilbers, it’s only years later having to deal with electric sus on the KTM, if folks have never experienced quality suspension they’ll be non the wiser but if you have  :015: