America will not allow the registration of anything with an ICE after 2035

[Winger]

Originally Posted by LicandReg

Winger probably wants an e version...

How perceptive you are 😀, was reading an article only yesterday that America will not allow the registration of anything with an internal combustion engine after 2035, Energica who have been supplying bikes for the Moto E championship have been ousted by Ducati at the end of 22 so heaven knows what they have in the pipe line, and an mail turning on Monday with pictures of Triumph’s electric development bike doesn’t take much working out which way the winding blowing.

At the start of this Covid lark realised we needed a change of plan as biking across Europe was a non starter, so switched our conventional mountain bikes for Electric and instead boxer/4 cylinder motors had to get our heads around Shimano/Bosh/Brose and what a journey that has been....but the game is changing that is for sure....the problem being the biking community has never been that way inclined!!! How many on here have even switched from lead acid to a lithium battery yet 

[Hugg727]

Originally Posted by Winger

How perceptive you are 😀, was reading an article only yesterday that America will not allow the registration of anything with an internal combustion engine after 2035, Energica who have been supplying bikes for the Moto E championship have been ousted by Ducati at the end of 22 so heaven knows what they have in the pipe line, and an mail turning on Monday with pictures of Triumph’s electric development bike doesn’t take much working out which way the winding blowing.

At the start of this Covid lark realised we needed a change of plan as biking across Europe was a non starter, so switched our conventional mountain bikes for Electric and instead boxer/4 cylinder motors had to get our heads around Shimano/Bosh/Brose and what a journey that has been....but the game is changing that is for sure....the problem being the biking community has never been that way inclined!!! How many on here have even switched from lead acid to a lithium battery yet 

Winger, can you share that article please?  I haven't heard of that yet and I am guessing its something that's not yet been voted on.  I dont believe that would be possible considering how much the economy relies on Oil.  I have been going to car show for 20 years with all of the US auto makers saying that they will have an EV in 5 years......they didnt do anything until Tesla started dominating the EV market the past 4-5 years.

[Winger]

In all honesty can’t find the dam thing, in was an online article via an independent bike mag, with the usual caustic comments.

Just google ICE car ban, theirs plenty on such, there’s even one article mentioning 2030.

[Sthap]

I believe it different by state, California and my state Vermont are stating 2035 I can’t imagine Florida or Texas having the same requirement.
California has already banned gas power garden equipment (as well as Burlington Vermont)

[the bartender]

Originally Posted by Winger

America will not allow the registration of anything with an internal combustion engine after 2035,

not completely accurate.

Individual states have introduced legislation that will typically begin the banning of any NEW registrations of ICE vehicles. Most, if not all currently will not prevent the re-sale and re-registration of existing ICE vehicles.

Here is a global list of countries with EV/ICE laws on the books.

Country   Year   Detail
Norway   2025   New vehicles
South Korea   2025   New vehicles
Belgium   2026   New company vehicles
Austria   2027   New taxis or car shares
Washington   2027   Government fleet
Slovenia   2030   New vehicles
Iceland   2030   New vehicles
Netherlands   2030   New vehicles
Denmark   2030   New vehicles
Ireland   2030   New vehicles
Israel   2030   New vehicles
Sweden   2030   New vehicles
India   2030   New vehicles
Germany   2030   New vehicles
United Kingdom   2030   New vehicles
Scotland   2032   New vehicles
Japan   2035   New vehicles
California   2035   New vehicles
China   2040   New vehicles
Singapore   2040   New vehicles
Sir Lanka   2040   New vehicles
Taiwan   2040   Bus (2030), motorcycle (2035), cars (2040)
Canada   2040   New vehicles
France   2040   New vehicles
Spain   2040   New vehicles
Portugal   2040   New vehicles
Egypt   2040   New vehicles
New Jersey   2040   New vehicles
District of Columbia   2045   Government and private fleet
Costa Rica   2050   New vehicles
Colorado   2050   New vehicles

[Winger]

Certainly over here at the rate fuel prices are rocketing and electric motor tech is advancing those dates are plucked out of thin air, but which sane vehicle  manufacturer is going to put much effort into ICE when no one knows when governments are going to pull the draw bridge up....or customers decide they would prefer to drink an extra coffee while charging their car/bike up for peanuts.

Look at Project Triumph TE-1


Now most of the PR BS has you believing the range these bikes allegedly have, ridden shall we say normally and I include the Energica is 100 miles which isn’t enough, but having bought my/our first electric mountain bikes at the start of covid, and 2 years on purchased two newer models I can see how quickly development has progressed.

[LicandReg]

Originally Posted by Winger

Certainly over here at the rate fuel prices are rocketing and electric motor tech is advancing those dates are plucked out of thin air, but which sane vehicle  manufacturer is going to put much effort into ICE when no one knows when governments are going to pull the draw bridge up....or customers decide they would prefer to drink an extra coffee while charging their car/bike up for peanuts.

Look at Project Triumph TE-1


Now most of the PR BS has you believing the range these bikes allegedly have, ridden shall we say normally and I include the Energica is 100 miles which isn’t enough, but having bought my/our first electric mountain bikes at the start of covid, and 2 years on purchased two newer models I can see how quickly development has progressed.

It's got a long way to go for markets like US & AU where distances are vast before range is anywhere near even useful. Govt. incentives now in place in states here for cars, but price/availability/slow charging infrastructure roll out - too hard. Most still looking to ICE with few alternatives here. And then theres' long haul road freight ... Big oil/coal to thank for holding back the tech - we need it market ready here and now. Too late. Draw bridges certainly looking a long way off in backwaters like this not helped by feckless obstructionist political leadership. Rant over.

[the bartender]

Originally Posted by LicandReg

It's got a long way to go for markets like US & AU where distances are vast before range is anywhere near even useful.

I cant think of any two countries that are more different when it comes to range needs. The average American never leaves their state. They use their car to go to the store at the end of the block, the mall at the edge of their HOA, or their downtown. There are lots of Americans who travel more, but its definitely not the primary use of their vehicles. Hell, in the Appalachians i've talked to more than one person who have never left the county where they live. Its already pretty easy to travel all across the US with the current infrastructure, and its only getting easier every year. Australia is an exaggerated version of the problem we have here in Canada where they and we have clustered cities, with large distances between them. It will be a bigger problem for us and them.

I think the reality of 'everyone' having a car to run random errands that will seem ridiculous 50 years from now.

[Sthap]

Bartender, while I don’t deny that there is a large push to electrify our transportation, I fear that in regards to motorcycles the range isn’t there yet

The actual range on Harley live wire when ridden the way I assume must of us would actually ride is ~80 miles (44teeth review) My XR is good for 150  miles before I even start looking for a gas station
I get two track day sessions at Mosport before my gas light comes on my RR, if I replaced this bike with an electric bike I would have to use my gas powered generator to get through the day
We have a Saturday morning  breakfast ride which is anywhere  between a hour to hour and half before we stop and the one guy with the electric bike can’t go unless the breakfast location is within 30 miles of his home

I enjoy riding/driving no matter what the location goal is and I hope we never get to the point where this isn’t an option anymore

[LicandReg]

How many on here have even switched from lead acid to a lithium battery yet 

First thing done to the bike! That's a no brainer for the MY2023 nip and tuck BMW.