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    How much should I squeeze in the back box??
    on: September 29, 2022, 12:08:38 pm
    September 29, 2022, 12:08:38 pm
    And I'm talking a 58l Givi not the "other back box"  :034:  :156:  :008:



    I'm attempting to carry everything I need for say, a two night camping trip without the panniers fitted. What would you be comfortable with, weight wise, on the rear rack? 

    I use a pair of these over the top and down to the rear foot peg hangers. to take some of the strain,



    So, I've managed to fit into my Givi 58l box, the following;

    Vango Venture 250

    Sleeping Bag

    Inflatable sleeping bed

    Lightweight pegs and Hammer

    Fold away cooking stove.

    Wind Shield for the stove.

    Back up mini stove

    2 C100 gas canisters

    Food

    Towel

    Hunting Knife (not that I'll be doing any hunting but it looks impressive  :034:  :001:)

    Change of socks, wangers (underpants) and a couple of T-Shirts, tooth Brush, small tin of smelly stuff (cos I'm worth it  :164:)

    Tent lamp.

    Other luggage is

    A Givi tool box for tools.

    Handle bar bag for puncture repair stuff and some other bits.



    Tank Bag for sundries, pain killers, blood pressure tablets etc (Old Guys Stuff) Phone, Wallet, spare Necker, ratchet and socket for rear wheel.

    Rear seat bag; first aid kit, jump start pack, also used for charging phone, small WD-40, duct tape.

    I think that's it..  :084:

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    Last Edit: September 29, 2022, 12:09:32 pm by af1-windy
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    Re: How much should I squeeze in the back box??
    Reply #1 on: September 29, 2022, 12:16:34 pm
    September 29, 2022, 12:16:34 pm
    I'd be careful weight wise, I took home 2x12 cans of monsters (don't ask  :008:) the other day in my top box with no panniers to balance out the weight and the bike handled super top heavy, not too bad when you're going but at slow speed it wanted to tip over so bad and was very sensitive to steering input.

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    Re: How much should I squeeze in the back box??
    Reply #2 on: September 29, 2022, 12:46:23 pm
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    *Originally Posted by Antares [+]
    I'd be careful weight wise, I took home 2x12 cans of monsters (don't ask  :008:) the other day in my top box with no panniers to balance out the weight and the bike handled super top heavy, not too bad when you're going but at slow speed it wanted to tip over so bad and was very sensitive to steering input.

    Only 2 packs of 12  :187: You need a bigger top box..  :008:
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    Re: How much should I squeeze in the back box??
    Reply #3 on: September 29, 2022, 01:55:20 pm
    September 29, 2022, 01:55:20 pm
    I strap a 30L kreiga to the frontof the topbox (I have the same one) on the pillion seat, so the weight is lower and forward of the axle. Works quite well, apart from I can't then sit on the rear seat to stretch my legs :-)

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    Re: How much should I squeeze in the back box??
    Reply #4 on: September 29, 2022, 02:08:21 pm
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    *Originally Posted by Antares [+]
    I'd be careful weight wise, I took home 2x12 cans of monsters (don't ask  :008:) the other day in my top box with no panniers to balance out the weight and the bike handled super top heavy, not too bad when you're going but at slow speed it wanted to tip over so bad and was very sensitive to steering input.
    What does that weigh?  Like 12 kg?  I carry a 20 liter Kriega back there that is just under 7 kg on pretty much every ride (mostly tools, GS911, spare gloves and a rain liner).
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    Re: How much should I squeeze in the back box??
    Reply #5 on: September 29, 2022, 02:28:12 pm
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    *Originally Posted by bazzer [+]
    I strap a 30L kreiga to the frontof the topbox (I have the same one) on the pillion seat, so the weight is lower and forward of the axle. Works quite well, apart from I can't then sit on the rear seat to stretch my legs :-)

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    I suppose I could take the tent out and fasten it to the rear seat to spread the weight..  :084:
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    Re: How much should I squeeze in the back box??
    Reply #6 on: September 29, 2022, 05:19:00 pm
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    *Originally Posted by capt cf [+]
    What does that weigh?  Like 12 kg?  I carry a 20 liter Kriega back there that is just under 7 kg on pretty much every ride (mostly tools, GS911, spare gloves and a rain liner).

    Probably closer to 20kg with packaging + a few other bits i had in it + box itself, additionally it's also high up and far back, much more so than a tail pack or backpack would be, it surprised me because even when going camping, having 5kg gear strapped to the back you really couldn't feel it at all, could be that the liquid in the cans moving around amplified the issue too. It honestly felt worse than having a passenger and gear on the back because then weight is at least spread out.

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    Re: How much should I squeeze in the back box??
    Reply #7 on: September 29, 2022, 05:35:58 pm
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    *Originally Posted by Antares [+]
    Probably closer to 20kg with packaging + a few other bits i had in it + box itself, additionally it's also high up and far back, much more so than a tail pack or backpack would be, it surprised me because even when going camping, having 5kg gear strapped to the back you really couldn't feel it at all, could be that the liquid in the cans moving around amplified the issue too. It honestly felt worse than having a passenger and gear on the back because then weight is at least spread out.
    lol...I never thought about the free surface effect of liquid in top box mounted cans of energy drink.  I have trimmed down my tailbag a few times...most recently by replacing some of my old, heavy tools with a nicer purpose built toolkit.  Always had that nagging fear of snapping off the luggage rack.
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    Re: How much should I squeeze in the back box??
    Reply #8 on: September 29, 2022, 10:05:53 pm
    September 29, 2022, 10:05:53 pm
    Kappa 49 (47ltr) box had to be a good 15kgs all in and all clothes etc. (too many) in drybag and bike cover on rear seat for 2 weeks. Drybag just attached with 2 bungees, box just clipped onto the Givi plate.

    If you're worried about weight, this bag was 13 quid delivered from Sportsbikeshop, and yes it is waterproof, put in tent, doss bag etc.
    Bike still handled fine with rider/luggage setting, but then I'm very used to carrying pillion so bit of weight on the back doesn't bother me.


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    Re: How much should I squeeze in the back box??
    Reply #9 on: September 30, 2022, 01:10:05 am
    September 30, 2022, 01:10:05 am
    Im close to 40lbs between the box and drybag on the seat.... I've covered over 28000 miles with this setup in all sorts of weather, (some of it really bad) ...and I've had no handling problems .
    This picture was taken just last week before I left for a quick 4 day trip.

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