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    what year or options has FULLY adjustable suspension?
    on: November 18, 2022, 04:27:16 pm
    November 18, 2022, 04:27:16 pm
    I only want a bike that has full independently adjustable compression & rebound. Not linked, not just pre adjusted modes like road sport enduro etc.

    ex...
    8 clicks out front compression
    11 clicks out front rebound
    9 clicks out rear comp
    10 clicks out rear rebound
    manual preload adjuster front & rear


    thanks!

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    Re: what year or options has FULLY adjustable suspension?
    Reply #1 on: November 18, 2022, 04:41:18 pm
    November 18, 2022, 04:41:18 pm
    you would need to look for a non DESA bike which would have black fork tubes. Having said that there are 2 thing to note, the 'manual susp' XR are like unicorns(very hard to find), and I do not know if they even have all the adjustments that you want. The other option is to convert a DESA model to manual suspension (Tractive/Ohlins/KTech/Wilbers).

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    Re: what year or options has FULLY adjustable suspension?
    Reply #2 on: November 18, 2022, 04:52:35 pm
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    compression and rebound are always linked unless you have separate function forks, which BMW has never offered on the XR.

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    Re: what year or options has FULLY adjustable suspension?
    Reply #3 on: November 18, 2022, 04:55:43 pm
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    *Originally Posted by the bartender [+]
    compression and rebound are always linked unless you have separate function forks, which BMW has never offered on the XR.

    wait, what?
    your telling me a performance motorcycle has one shared valve for damping both directions?
    surely you are mistaken. if not this is beyond hilarious

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    Re: what year or options has FULLY adjustable suspension?
    Reply #4 on: November 18, 2022, 06:04:49 pm
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    *Originally Posted by GCBC [+]
    wait, what?
    your telling me a performance motorcycle has one shared valve for damping both directions?
    surely you are mistaken. if not this is beyond hilarious

    It doesn't have shared valve, not sure what the bartender meant,
    On the manual sus version you have separate compression and rebound for forks and shock, preload on the shock, but no preload on the front. BMW for some reason was like "oh those preload adjusters that already exist on the R/RR and are the exact same thread/pitch as the XR forks, and could be bolted straight in if the pushrod was a little shorter? on a 15k bike??? Nahhhh too expensive!!!"

    The only major shortcoming of the bike's suspension.

    Imo you're better off getting cartridge kit and aftermarket shock if you want full manual adjustment, but imo the electronic suspension is vastly superior both on the road for adaptability and on the track, not necessarily in damping and ride quality, but the active features like anti squat and anti dive.
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    Re: what year or options has FULLY adjustable suspension?
    Reply #5 on: November 18, 2022, 11:44:50 pm
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    *Originally Posted by GCBC [+]
    wait, what?
    your telling me a performance motorcycle has one shared valve for damping both directions?
    surely you are mistaken. if not this is beyond hilarious

    This is not unique to BMW, this is how almost every suspension fork works.
    Its not that its one shared valve, its that the two valves are in a single system and effect each other.
    This is the reason that separate function forks exist (where one is a rebound circuit, and the other is a compression circuit)

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    Re: what year or options has FULLY adjustable suspension?
    Reply #6 on: November 19, 2022, 01:03:48 am
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    there are a number of shitty bikes that have adjustable damping that is one valve that controls both reb and comp at the same time. junk mountain bikes and a lot of the Indian/chinese made stuff as well. hoping this is not what you meant, which you just cleared up. '

    so if they are all electronic, can I hack it somehow or get an additional programmer like a power commander and just adjust C&R independently? there are a number of good deals on 2nd gens right now
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    Re: what year or options has FULLY adjustable suspension?
    Reply #7 on: November 19, 2022, 07:29:21 am
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    *Originally Posted by GCBC [+]
    there are a number of shitty bikes that have adjustable damping that is one valve that controls both reb and comp at the same time. junk mountain bikes and a lot of the Indian/chinese made stuff as well. hoping this is not what you meant, which you just cleared up. '

    so if they are all electronic, can I hack it somehow or get an additional programmer like a power commander and just adjust C&R independently? there are a number of good deals on 2nd gens right now

    I've heard of them being changed by accessing the DDC ECU but as far as I know there is no commercially available method like how Woolich Racing Software can be used to access your ECU. You still haven't said what you're intending to do with it? For track riding you definitely want a Gen 1, it handles better and you can get more out of it easier than the Gen 2s right now. Gen 2 is a lot more street oriented, suspension is overall much softer and Euro 5 regs didn't do it any favours either. 

     



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