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S1000XR Chat => Tyres and Wheels => Topic started by: PaulS1000XR on March 03, 2019, 09:20:39 AM

Title: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: PaulS1000XR on March 03, 2019, 09:20:39 AM
Why does BMW fit such crap tyres to new bikes?

Just taken delivery of my new XR and note with disappointment that they are fitted with the same crap Bridgestone T30's - not even the latest T31's. The T30's are not that good - I started with them on my 2 previous XR's and had a few instances of loss of grip which I never experienced with better tyres.

Even the GS's have the crap Anakee 3 tyres fitted and I know those are also poor tyres as well.

Come on BMW, tyres are important so why not fit better ones.  :305:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: wessie on March 03, 2019, 09:35:22 AM
Every new bike I have bought has had tyres at least one version back from the current top of the range.

My R1200RS came with Metzeler Z8 when the Roadtec 01 was the new tyre. Fortunately the Z8 is a decent tyre.

The worst example of cost cutting was my Yamaha Tracer which came with Dunlop D222. A version of Roadsmart not available to buy on the retail market. Single compound and does not last long. I compared them to those part filled print cartridges you get with a new printer.

The most dangerous tyres I had were on a VFR750 in 1994, which had some awful Michelin A89/M89. The bike was transformed with a set of Bridgestone BT01. These are the only OE tyres I changed early.

The decision to cut corners with tyres does seem odd when you, as a new bike buyer, is their biggest marketing asset as most sales of a bike come from personal referrals. Sadly, in the modern world, the design and marketing people are usually over-ruled by accountants.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Mareng1 on March 03, 2019, 11:36:14 AM
Mine came with T30 tyres, and I took them off at 900m, in order to get fresh tyres for my hols.

I think they are pretty much -  run-of-the-mill tyres, but I hear great things about the T31.

I guess they get a great deal on those tyres, just like the Regina chain and other 'disposable' parts (batteries).

Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Bree on March 03, 2019, 11:43:03 AM
yep bigger profits I would presume.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: smithy on March 04, 2019, 07:11:51 AM
I actually didn't mind the T30's, did a couple of track days on them at Phillip Island too, used right to the edges without a problem, just a couple of minor traction light moments.. :027:

Smithy.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: JTL on March 05, 2019, 06:29:42 AM
I'm ok with the T30s. I've not had any grip problems, but then I'm not a fast rider.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: advr6 on March 05, 2019, 04:38:10 PM
I had the bike fishtail multiple times in the wet with T30s even in rain mode ...and yes traction control was on  :008:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Winger on March 05, 2019, 04:59:00 PM
*Originally Posted by Mareng1 [+]
Mine came with T30 tyres, and I took them off at 900m

Same miles here couldn’t be bothered to fit them on my Dymags but they worked OK.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: wilbert on March 05, 2019, 10:34:30 PM
I thought the T30's were ok but not great in the dry and bloody terrible in the wet. Lots of little slides in both rain and road mode and one big one that I just managed to keep shiny side up even if I did look like I was riding my motocross bike at the time.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Mareng1 on March 06, 2019, 09:36:49 AM
*Originally Posted by wilbert [+]
I thought the T30's were ok but not great in the dry and bloody terrible in the wet. Lots of little slides in both rain and road mode and one big one that I just managed to keep shiny side up even if I did look like I was riding my motocross bike at the time.

That’s not exactly ‘enticing’ me to refit them when my Roadsmarts are done.  :006:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: PaulS1000XR on March 06, 2019, 10:15:10 AM
*Originally Posted by Mareng1 [+]
That’s not exactly ‘enticing’ me to refit them when my Roadsmarts are done.  :006:

Dont buy the T30's - there are much better tyres out there - I will fit Conti Road Attack 3 when I get fed up with the T30's. Had a few slides with the T30's which I have never had with the previous Conti's - I dont trust the T30's  :305:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Mareng1 on March 06, 2019, 10:57:54 AM
*Originally Posted by PaulS1000XR [+]
Dont buy the T30's - there are much better tyres out there - I will fit Conti Road Attack 3 when I get fed up with the T30's. Had a few slides with the T30's which I have never had with the previous Conti's - I dont trust the T30's  :305:

They were bought with the bike.    Might have to burn them  :164:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: jackandthebear on March 06, 2019, 12:43:22 PM
My current tyres T30 have a few hundred miles of live left and I ummed and arrrred about whether to get on Road 5s or Roadtec1 as I will be in the Alps on this set ! But I have decided its Bridgestone Battlax S22 because as my friend said to me " Which tyre best suits the ride it like you stole it mentality you will have on tour" ... the S22
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Mareng1 on March 06, 2019, 12:48:58 PM
I'll be interested to hear if they last the trip.

We can top 3,000m on a trip to the alps (Provence).
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: RyanGTXR on March 06, 2019, 02:17:41 PM
It can also rain ALOT in the Alps. Good luck  :001:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Bree on March 06, 2019, 02:34:11 PM
I will stick with the Roadtec 01s Tried and tested and never found wanting in any conditions. Plus acceptable mileage to boot. Have also been using the Perrelli Angels also a good tyre. But first choice still is the 01s.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Winger on March 06, 2019, 05:33:29 PM
I’ll stick with my SportSmart/RoadSmart combo but the bike market is currently being steam rollered by Mich 05’s
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Markymark11 on March 06, 2019, 06:36:31 PM
I'm getting Roadtec 01's with the free battery charger offer. :002:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: jackandthebear on March 06, 2019, 07:13:04 PM
*Originally Posted by RyanGTXR [+]
It can also rain ALOT in the Alps. Good luck  :001:

Rain in the Alps doesn't scare me ! I have ridden down from Timmelsjoch with 6 inches of snow falling on a Rocket 3
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Bree on March 06, 2019, 07:27:23 PM
*Originally Posted by Markymark11 [+]
I'm getting Roadtec 01's with the free battery charger offer. :002:



I got an excellent price deal on my 01s, but no free battery charger.   :019: :019:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: jackandthebear on March 06, 2019, 08:09:13 PM
*Originally Posted by Bree [+]


I got an excellent price deal on my 01s, but no free battery charger.   :019: :019:

Where was that I am getting £285 quotes where the S22 were 240
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Bree on March 06, 2019, 09:05:49 PM
Oponeo were quoting  £220 delivered. 
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: PaulS1000XR on March 07, 2019, 12:10:12 PM
*Originally Posted by Bree [+]
Oponeo were quoting  £220 delivered.

Thats very cheap but not fitted & balanced??  :305:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Bree on March 07, 2019, 01:31:10 PM
No not fitted and balanced, but my local shop charges £20.00 if you bring the wheels in loose. So it works for me.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: smithy on March 07, 2019, 11:28:03 PM
Here in Aus the motorcycle tyre fitting/balancing charges are near on extortionate ....so I bought myself a proper tyre fitting machine which can also do cars and light commercial stuff....I get my new tyres delivered to my work and just take them home a do them at my leisure, also have a static balancing tool which works extremely well.... :028:
Lets me help out my local riding mates with their tyres too, costs them a nice cup of tea next time we're out riding together.

Smithy.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Markymark11 on March 08, 2019, 07:36:57 AM
Bree - I wasn't aware of Oponeo and as you say they are quoting £220 a pair for Roadtec 01's, and £225 for Mich Road 5's so many thanks for the heads up  :152:. I haven't used them obviously, but are they OK as far as any issues - ie: a duff tyre or have to return one... have you any experience with that.? I also found the same tyres at differing prices within the same search as well so I guess I need to ring them to clarify which exact tyre they refer to but they are much cheaper than anything I can buy locally :)
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Bree on March 08, 2019, 08:35:51 AM
Hi Mark
Yes I have used Oponeo before without any problems. I think the price difference is between a standard tyre and the ( hwm ) Higher weight bikes. I use the standard myself. Hope that helps.
You can check this but I think the HWM tyre is recommended if you are two up with lots of luggage, but I am sure somebody will correct me if that is incorrect......
I only ride one up and so use the standard fitment ( Never been a problem )
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Winger on March 08, 2019, 09:58:47 AM
*Originally Posted by Markymark11 [+]
Bree - I wasn't aware of Oponeo and as you say they are quoting £220 a pair for Roadtec 01's, and £225 for Mich Road 5's so many thanks for the heads up  :152:. I haven't used them obviously, but are they OK as far as any issues - ie: a duff tyre or have to return one... have you any experience with that.? I also found the same tyres at differing prices within the same search as well so I guess I need to ring them to clarify which exact tyre they refer to but they are much cheaper than anything I can buy locally :)

If you haven’t heard of Oponeo then you’ll not of heard of Tyreleader who started the serious online selling who have fallen out of favour because of the £ going down the pan.

The trade love the sellers on the net because all they have to do is fit them and ironically there’s more to be made that way rather than selling,just make sure you get a firm price for fitting which frankly is all over the place and if by some chance you do have a dud tyre(i’ve Only ever had one)then the buck really will stop at you.

The other company to keep an eye on is M&P periodically they do some crazy deals and I’m not saying that as a punter but a trader.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Bree on March 08, 2019, 12:52:55 PM
I would not expect a dud tyre, as every tyre I have had through Oponeo has come direct from Metzeler warehouse in Germany.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Winger on March 08, 2019, 03:38:14 PM
They all come from the same place In the end but that’s not the point,if your unlucky to have a dud then anything is possible i’ve Been in a faceless warehouse in Wolverhampton full of them mostly car but some bike your stack e’m high and sell cheap will not fight your corner like a normal retailer it’s not much of a gamble because duds are rare but i’ve Certainly seen them and there’s no consistency about how each complaint is treated and if the people who fitted the tyre are different from the supplier opens allsort of escape avenues from responsibility.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: grizzle on March 08, 2019, 04:27:04 PM
Last 2 sets of michelins I ordered through tyreleader were dispatched directly from michelin in france with a build code only weeks old
never tried oponeo but they do have a great price for the 5's
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Markymark11 on March 08, 2019, 06:05:45 PM
Hi Winger - no I hadn't heard of them thank you  :002: I will store that in the memory as well. I have always in the past used the same tyre guys which is Micheldever tyres near me. They have always price matched and been more than competitive over the years and I got to know a few of the lads there who were always decent with me. I even had a free rear tyre out of them when I got a puncture the first day, and they came and recovered me and replaced the tyre free even though it was not faulty.

As so often happens unfortunately - they have changed hands and are no longer as keenly priced. The guys I knew have gone and I am back to being just a "punter" I guess. That coupled with the high prices of rubber now has lead me to think about shopping on-line and hence some of my questions. It is obvious I can save a lot of money on-line but of course want to be wary of any pitfalls as a short term gain can quickly turn into huge expense as I'm sure we all know.

I think from what you have all said that it is worth the risk and on this occasion, I will order from Oponeo as they seem the cheapest for the 2 that I am interested in (Mich R5 or Roadtec 01). I have just got to make a final decision and find a local guy to fit them. Removal and refit of the wheels should be no problem for me due to advise given, but I don't have tyre fitting  / balancing tools.

I much appreciate all the help and advise received - thank you all  :821:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Winger on March 08, 2019, 08:54:13 PM
I understand you bit about becoming a punter again i’m Never going into the pros and cons of where I get mine but just to make a mockery of all this tyre lark just had a mail come in from M&P Avon Storm 3D XM  120/70/17 190/55/17 £140 posted not the £125 I paid last year but still fitted to my K and more than able to get the job done.

When mine turned up expected tyres 3 years old instead had dates that were just a few weeks old.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Bree on March 08, 2019, 09:33:42 PM
Have looked at M&P but never had the tyre I was looking for. Hat full of Avon tyres, but not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Mareng1 on March 09, 2019, 12:32:39 AM
*Originally Posted by Winger [+]
I understand you bit about becoming a punter again i’m Never going into the pros and cons of where I get mine but just to make a mockery of all this tyre lark just had a mail come in from M&P Avon Storm 3D XM  120/70/17 190/55/17 £140 posted not the £125 I paid last year but still fitted to my K and more than able to get the job done.

When mine turned up expected tyres 3 years old instead had dates that were just a few weeks old.

Got the e-mail with that offer.    Cheap tyres indeed.  I believe the Storms were a one-time favourite with the Hyabusa mob.   
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Markymark11 on March 10, 2019, 10:16:36 AM
Decide to play safe (in as much as I've mainly always used Michelins) and went for road 5's. £223 delivered and my local garage will fit for £10 per loose wheel which I will do next week. So total cost of £243 compared to my previous best quote from a couple of local tyre places of £296. . :002:  besides which it gives me a good excuse to clean all around the inside of the swing arm etc which I do once or twice a year anyway.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Bree on March 10, 2019, 10:34:54 AM
Yep good price, and the fitting is the same as I pay per loose wheel. And a good saving over the local tyre shop price cannot be bad.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Markymark11 on March 10, 2019, 10:38:44 AM
Yes well pleased Bree, and without the forum and you guys I would have ended up paying the full price so a global "Thank You" to all contributors  :821:....   now Shuberth C3 or C3 pro   hmmmm...........lol
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: PaulS1000XR on March 10, 2019, 05:45:40 PM
Went out yesterday after some heavy rain and roads were still wet with my OEM T30 crap tyres. Had 2 rear wheel slips on normal roads. As I said crap tyres  :305:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: jackandthebear on March 10, 2019, 08:19:15 PM
*Originally Posted by Markymark11 [+]
Yes well pleased Bree, and without the forum and you guys I would have ended up paying the full price so a global "Thank You" to all contributors  :821:....   now Shuberth C3 or C3 pro   hmmmm...........lol
Helmetcity for discounted Schuberth
https://www.helmetcity.co.uk/shop-by-brand/schuberth-helmets/schuberth-sale/
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: bazzer on March 11, 2019, 07:44:21 AM
I use a lot of tyres because of the trackdays, I use FWR now https://www.fwr.co.uk/ Always worth giving them a call as Bob and the guys can normally match most deals.

I used to use some of the European online sites a lot, but I got fed up with getting old date code tyres, more of an issue with track tyres.

If I was just getting one pair a year for the road bike I think I would go down the low hassle route and go to the nearest place I trusted not to damage my rims.

Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: wilbert on June 19, 2019, 08:14:50 PM
Whilst killing time waiting for my bike to be fixed at the dealers I had a look round the new bikes they had in stock. Interesting to see that none of the XRs were shod with T30's but had Pirelli Rossos on instead.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: wessie on June 19, 2019, 08:48:30 PM
*Originally Posted by wilbert [+]
Whilst killing time waiting for my bike to be fixed at the dealers I had a look round the new bikes they had in stock. Interesting to see that none of the XRs were shod with T30's but had Pirelli Rossos on instead.

the T31 has been out some time. Are T30 still made?

Also, the euro dipped against the yen earlier this year so maybe European sourced tyres became cheaper? BMW often uses Metzeler tyres (Z8 on my RS) which is a sister brand to Pirelli, so no surprise they have a batch in.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: wilbert on June 19, 2019, 09:45:23 PM
No idea. Only thing I know about the T30's were that they were average in the dry and shite in the wet. Glad to see the stock rubber has improved somewhat
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Markymark11 on June 19, 2019, 10:48:45 PM
See mine had rosso's on and they were done at 3000 miles and really hard to hold a line in a corner. Replaced with Mich Road 5's, 4k miles ago and only just past half worn and corners like a dream - I expect 6k or 7k which will be great. The T30's on the Versys 1000 were actually really good - just shows how different we all are on the same equipment lol  :002:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: rmh999 on June 19, 2019, 10:53:04 PM
*Originally Posted by wilbert [+]
Whilst killing time waiting for my bike to be fixed at the dealers I had a look round the new bikes they had in stock. Interesting to see that none of the XRs were shod with T30's but had Pirelli Rossos on instead.


My 2016 came with Pirelli Rosso`s - interesting as its was an ex-demo bike
So do they (dealer or BMW) put sporty / sticky tyres on the demo bikes to inspire confidence and then you buy and get the cheap rubbish option ?

Had about 1000 miles on the bike so would not have "needed" to be changed....and did  nto look new

Just had the front replace and stuck with the Pirelli`s - although there is a newer version I got a deal on the same older version and fitted same day...
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: sipaldi on June 20, 2019, 01:19:06 PM
 My new bike, 5weeks old now, came with the diablo's but I did notice all the other XR's in the showroom had Bridgestones on. I went in 2 weeks ago and a new batch of XR's in also had the bridgestones. Weird eh....
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: SAVAGEFOX on June 20, 2019, 02:24:43 PM
My bike, bought specifically 1 year ago, came with T30’s, I did ask at the time if I could have different tyres as there was wide variety on the showroom across all bike and they said no, it’s as come from factory, so I assume luck of the draw?!

Just changed tyres last week to Roadtec 01 and it’s an unbelievable set of tyres(had them fitted on my S1000R as well before the XR)

On the T30’s I did 7200miles, lasted exactly 1y2w and I wouldn’t say they’re rubish, just not nearly as good as others can be... the worst part about them for me is that during the last 500 - 1000miles I felt every pebble, road fault, everything.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: wilbert on June 20, 2019, 08:43:48 PM
My bike has just over 6k on it and i'm on my 3rd rear tyre. Took the stock ones off at about 2k and the rear was about 2/3 worn, replaced them with roadtecs and the front is about 2/3 worn after 4k and the rear bit the dust and was replaced about 200 miles ago.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Randy98199 on October 04, 2019, 11:50:47 PM
My '19 XR I picked up in August had the T30's. I also asked if I could get something different and the best they could do was a discount on something else they had in stock but not the Road 5's I wanted. I've put about 2000 miles on the T30's and while they are alright in the dry on wet roads they don't come close to the Road 4's I had on my Vstrom. Just bought a set of Road 5's and will have them fitted next week.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: bobdave on October 05, 2019, 03:53:37 PM
Just changed my original tyres - rear shot at about 4400 miles. Replaced with Pilot 5s and whilst the Bridgestones didn't cause me any problems the new Michelins feel so much nicer.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: smithy on October 06, 2019, 02:22:21 AM
*Originally Posted by bobdave [+]
Replaced with Pilot 5s

Sorry to be a pedantic ar$e....but there's no such animal as a Pilot 5, they're called Road 5's.

Smithy.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Bree on October 06, 2019, 09:46:18 AM
 :001: :001: You pedantic arse   :001: :001:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Mareng1 on October 06, 2019, 10:48:28 AM
Saw a big retailer is still listing PR2 tyres !     They were pretty cheap - be interesting to see the manufacture date of those.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: smithy on October 07, 2019, 02:06:12 AM
*Originally Posted by Bree [+]
:001: :001: You pedantic arse   :001: :001:

It's "Mr Pedantic Arse" to you Sir.😁😁😂
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: Bree on October 07, 2019, 08:52:00 AM
 :001:  Duly noted Mr P Arse   :164: :164:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: jfnz on October 12, 2019, 09:31:59 AM
*Originally Posted by smithy [+]
Sorry to be a pedantic ar$e....but there's no such animal as a Pilot 5, they're called Road 5's.

Smithy.

You are such an ass. Not just a pedantic one either  :046:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: PaulS1000XR on October 12, 2019, 04:40:33 PM
My ROAD 5's have now done over 1000 miles. Very little sign of wear. Best tyre ever for me - fantastic grip and handling in all conditions.  :305:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: wilbert on October 13, 2019, 05:46:18 AM
What are the Road 5's like when leant over in the wet? Only asking as they look like slicks for the last inch or two on either side of the rear. I'm thinking I will change the Road 5's at next tyre change as the Roadtecs just aren't getting enough miles from them and the fronts wear very unevenly after 3k.
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: PaulS1000XR on October 13, 2019, 03:50:08 PM
*Originally Posted by wilbert [+]
What are the Road 5's like when leant over in the wet? Only asking as they look like slicks for the last inch or two on either side of the rear. I'm thinking I will change the Road 5's at next tyre change as the Roadtecs just aren't getting enough miles from them and the fronts wear very unevenly after 3k.

Not tried my R5's at a high bank angle as I dont push that hard in the wet. Michelin say they are good in the wet.  :305:
Title: Re: BMW OEM TYRES
Post by: T5Pilot on October 13, 2019, 04:40:02 PM
Have to say, my Road 5's are & have been fantastic.  Best tyre I've ever had by a long way.  That includes a couple of days torrential rain in The Pyrenees & Picos earlier this year.   Handled streaming water on switchbacks no problem.  And higher-speed sweepers.  Fantastic, grippy tyres.