Should you change for the new model

[Fumes]

I agree 👍

[PaulS1000XR]

Originally Posted by Mareng1

I think this is the post that prompted it, and the one I had forgotten about - the 18k service.

That was my post before I took delivery of my 2019 XR SE. Things are worse now in terms of the cost to change, although the costs to keep described are still an issue. Problem is: low trade in value of 2019 bikes, more expensive 2020 model with no discounts + having to buy new top box and panniers. Looks like I will be shelling to c7k to buy a 2021 XR TE with some options and luggage next spring. If you deduct the cost of stuff (servicing, replacing stuff worn out ) required to keep the 2019 that could amount to £3k. So thats around £4k more for a new bike 

[PaulS1000XR]

Originally Posted by Fumes

WeBuyAnyBike.com gave you a quote of £8,900 (this is valid for 24 hours) for your BMW
Your details:
 
Name:   
Email:   
Phone1:   
Phone2:   
 
Town:   
Postcode:   
 
Bike details:
 
Make:   BMW
Model:   S1000 XR SPORT SE (S1000 XR Sport SE ABS (2015 to 2020))
Registration:   
Registration Year:   2019
Registration Letter/Period:   19
Condition:   Excellent
Mileage:   3,000 miles
Colour:   black
Previous owners:   1

Thats a very low bid for your bike from WeBuyAnyBike. 

[rs87]

Originally Posted by Fumes

it's true bike colour is a personal choice....I find the black a lttle boring.
There's plenty of work arounds for top boxes and seats.
I find the current model an improvement in a number areas.
I think you're in for a big shock mate re value of your bike..try asking your dealer a part exchange value.  The price people are asking for similar models, doesn't mean that's what they are actually selling for.  A member suggested using Webuyanybike, as dealers are apparently using them.    An 2019 XR Sport SE,  black , excellent condition,  3000 miles,  one previous owner...they will give you a shocking £8900..go check yourself.  It's logical that the old models price / depreciation drops off considerably , as the new model becomes more readibly available.  The only way we can beat the system , is to do what Winger does....hang on to our bikes longer.

Part exchange price is what a dealer will give you for your bike and I'm not surprised they're quoting lower figures - they're out to make a margin and they're unlikely to sell this bike for the same price, for sure. They're going to mark it up before selling it.

I was not referring to the expected resale value of my bike, but rather to the price I paid in relation to a new model and more generally, the price a private buyer can expect to pay for a one year old bike. I would not expect a 45% depreciation to be the norm. For sure, if I had to sell it to a dealer now, I'd expect somewhere in the region of the figures you're quoting.

Personally, I buy my bikes in cash and keep them for a number of years, probably on average 5 years. When I sell them, I usually advertise and sell them privately. But I'm not fazed at whatever price I get, since I would generally consider that after 5 years my bike is next to worthless anyway...

[Parmenion]

As with all new models we get a fresher and improved bike most of the times. The cost of the change is something you decide, and depends on your financial position, and how much you are willing pay for your fun (with bikes of that caliber).

I changed from 2016 to 2019 and now to 2020 through a BMW dealer. The cost of keeping up with a new model every 2 years, riding 30000 km  (before the major service with a substantial cost) came to 230 Euros per month. For me it is a fair amount to pay, to always have a new, improved and inside manufacturer's warranty bike.

As for the changes of the last Gen:

S1000XR Gen 2 (2020+) improvements from previous model
Most complaints from Gen 1 (2015-2019) owners have been adressed.

Following, are the major improvements :
1. Engine vibration is no longer evident, especially between 5-5.5K rpm by new steering dampers, engine to frame mounting and new footpegs.
2. A 10Kg weight reduction (on a real life equipped bike) is made, although new EURO 5 emissions and noise reduction standards added some parts. Frame and swingarm, engine and wheels are lighter. Weight is removed from every part of he bike, from LED lights, to rider and passengerr footpegs, to rear linkless shock, to the missing rear light and integrated luggage racks. Exhaust is also lighter.
3. Seating position is revised for more stability and ease of riding, bringing the rider closer to the front end and utilising shorter bars. Also, the seat is thinner up front for a better ground reach.
4. Gear ratios of 4th, 5th and 6th gears are now longer to improve milage and better travel ride quality.
5. Semi active suspension has more range and is plusher for a more comfortable ride, and firmer for a sportier feeling when needed.
6. The clutch lever is now adjustable.
7. Steering angle is reduced by 0,6 degrees from 25,5 to 24,9 giving a lighter feel in turns.
8. Electronic safety aids are greatly improved by using a 6 axis IMU and utilising WSBK derived dynamic traction control and cornering ABS.
9. A new 6.5 inch TFT is used providing well organized info and control of all bike adjustments, together with a suite of telephone, media and ear set connections. Info on bank angle, traction control intervention and braking deceleration are on display in sport mode display.
10. Rider aerodynamic coverage is greater for upper and lower body, and screen is easier to adjust using a lever.
11. Aerodynamics are improved by 8% improving milage and higher top speed (+5mph)
12. Semi active suspension responds twice as fast from 20 to 10 ms,
13. Dynamic pro mode is now fully customizable for engine response, torque limit in first three gears, cornering ABS  (with the ability to switch off rear ABS), dynamic traction control, wheelie control, suspension settings.
14. Engine noise is drastically reduced and the new engine sounds more refined.
15. The clutch lever is lighter in pull from 80 to 65 N.
16. Lights are much better now,  since they are LED all around, using a warmer, sunlight  temperature in the front driving and signal beams and a cooler temperature DRL.
17. The gear box is more refined, as well as the quickshifter.
18. Engine brake is now electronically adjusted, and is  different in all modes and customizable in dynamic pro mode.
19. Suspension travel is greater for better absorbtion of bumps.
And minor imrovents follow:
1. Features such as automatic hill start control, and emergency brake control are now present. Also cornering lights, added lighting, carbon crash bars, and tire pressure monitoring are now offered.
2. Luggage racks are now integrated in the rear frame, reducing weight, adding stability and giving a cleaner look to the bike. Note that the  rear rack (top box) mount is motion compensating.
3. A small watertight, on tank, compartment can now be used for tolls change, keys and other small pocket stuff.
4. A free smartphone apllication can save all riding data if needed as well as providing directions via smartphone GPS.
5. Throttle response is more linear in all modes. There is a  soft throttle response up to 3000 rpm and linearly increasing to 7000 rpm, to become sharp and direct up to redline. The softer throttle response is to help handling in traffic and to be less intimidating to non sport focused riders.
6. Keyless start is now standard, including gas filling cap release.
7. There is a medium space compartment under the seat for locks, papers and other small stuff.
8. The Navigator cradle is now lockable.
9. The smart wheel on the left bar is now active for TFT navigation.
10. From 2021 and on there is a charging socket below the seat compartment as well as on the dash (for 2020 models).
11. The very capable Metzeler Roadtec 01 sport touring tires are standard, a great improvement  from the Bridgestone T30 on the previous model.
12. The bike looks fresher and more 21st century ditching 90's GSXR like tacho setup and 2009 RR resemblance,

[PaulS1000XR]

Originally Posted by Parmenion

As with all new models we get a fresher and improved bike most of the times. The cost of the change is something you decide, and depends on your financial position, and how much you are willing pay for your fun (with bikes of that caliber).

I changed from 2016 to 2019 and now to 2020 through a BMW dealer. The cost of keeping up with a new model every 2 years, riding 30000 km  (before the major service with a substantial cost) came to 230 Euros per month. For me it is a fair amount to pay, to always have a new, improved and inside manufacturer's warranty bike.

As for the changes of the last Gen:

S1000XR Gen 2 (2020+) improvements from previous model
Most complaints from Gen 1 (2015-2019) owners have been adressed.

Following, are the major improvements :
1. Engine vibration is no longer evident, especially between 5-5.5K rpm by new steering dampers, engine to frame mounting and new footpegs.
2. A 10Kg weight reduction (on a real life equipped bike) is made, although new EURO 5 emissions and noise reduction standards added some parts. Frame and swingarm, engine and wheels are lighter. Weight is removed from every part of he bike, from LED lights, to rider and passengerr footpegs, to rear linkless shock, to the missing rear light and integrated luggage racks. Exhaust is also lighter.
3. Seating position is revised for more stability and ease of riding, bringing the rider closer to the front end and utilising shorter bars. Also, the seat is thinner up front for a better ground reach.
4. Gear ratios of 4th, 5th and 6th gears are now longer to improve milage and better travel ride quality.
5. Semi active suspension has more range and is plusher for a more comfortable ride, and firmer for a sportier feeling when needed.
6. The clutch lever is now adjustable.
7. Steering angle is reduced by 0,6 degrees from 25,5 to 24,9 giving a lighter feel in turns.
8. Electronic safety aids are greatly improved by using a 6 axis IMU and utilising WSBK derived dynamic traction control and cornering ABS.
9. A new 6.5 inch TFT is used providing well organized info and control of all bike adjustments, together with a suite of telephone, media and ear set connections. Info on bank angle, traction control intervention and braking deceleration are on display in sport mode display.
10. Rider aerodynamic coverage is greater for upper and lower body, and screen is easier to adjust using a lever.
11. Aerodynamics are improved by 8% improving milage and higher top speed (+5mph)
12. Semi active suspension responds twice as fast from 20 to 10 ms,
13. Dynamic pro mode is now fully customizable for engine response, torque limit in first three gears, cornering ABS  (with the ability to switch off rear ABS), dynamic traction control, wheelie control, suspension settings.
14. Engine noise is drastically reduced and the new engine sounds more refined.
15. The clutch lever is lighter in pull from 80 to 65 N.
16. Lights are much better now,  since they are LED all around, using a warmer, sunlight  temperature in the front driving and signal beams and a cooler temperature DRL.
17. The gear box is more refined, as well as the quickshifter.
18. Engine brake is now electronically adjusted, and is  different in all modes and customizable in dynamic pro mode.
19. Suspension travel is greater for better absorbtion of bumps.
And minor imrovents follow:
1. Features such as automatic hill start control, and emergency brake control are now present. Also cornering lights, added lighting, carbon crash bars, and tire pressure monitoring are now offered.
2. Luggage racks are now integrated in the rear frame, reducing weight, adding stability and giving a cleaner look to the bike. Note that the  rear rack (top box) mount is motion compensating.
3. A small watertight, on tank, compartment can now be used for tolls change, keys and other small pocket stuff.
4. A free smartphone apllication can save all riding data if needed as well as providing directions via smartphone GPS.
5. Throttle response is more linear in all modes. There is a  soft throttle response up to 3000 rpm and linearly increasing to 7000 rpm, to become sharp and direct up to redline. The softer throttle response is to help handling in traffic and to be less intimidating to non sport focused riders.
6. Keyless start is now standard, including gas filling cap release.
7. There is a medium space compartment under the seat for locks, papers and other small stuff.
8. The Navigator cradle is now lockable.
9. The smart wheel on the left bar is now active for TFT navigation.
10. From 2021 and on there is a charging socket below the seat compartment as well as on the dash (for 2020 models).
11. The very capable Metzeler Roadtec 01 sport touring tires are standard, a great improvement  from the Bridgestone T30 on the previous model.
12. The bike looks fresher and more 21st century ditching 90's GSXR like tacho setup and 2009 RR resemblance,

I have a 2021 TE and agree with all of the above. The 2021 is a better bike than the Gen 1 in pretty much all respects. Also the fuelling seems to be better giving a smoother ride a low speeds.

[jakebake]

For me, when I test rode the gen 2, I found it gutless compared the to gen 1 and also a bit more sanitized as bmw seem to have removed the induction roar of the gen 1 bike.  That’s just my opinion and no doubt others might disagree. ( quite a few YouTube reviews mention the lack of low down power on the gen 2  )

I really want to stick with the brand and the  XR  as the service from Northampton BMW motorrad has been second to none. This is probably  a daft question ……………….but are there any gen 2 owners who have swapped the sprocket sizes to give better low down torque ( ironically the opposite sprocket change to what some gen 1 owners did to bring the cruising revs down )

[Molsal]

In road dynamic and  rain mode the torque is reduced in the lower gears on the gen2 bike. Only dynamic pro gives max torque in gears 1 and 2.

[runnerhiker]

Parmenion, that's a good list.  Plus Gen 2 has TPMS and narrower handlebars, two things I would like on my Gen 1

I think the Gen 2 is overall a better bike by a little bit.  But the difference is small, I am keeping my almost new 2019.

[Salem]

Parmenion, how could you forget the 3 level grip heating  . And the earlier 2020 bikes have a 12V supply under the seat too, just the counter connector is nowhere to be found. I made my own